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I see them getting badmouthed a lot. Was something insecure or something?

Their software was revolutionary..just curious what happened.. All i hear now is NATS is the better software?

Fill me in..
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Its running strong as a solid solution to get new sponsors to market.

FAST.

How fast?
I can make you an affiliates program in 3 days if your banking and providers are scored out.
But I am sure some Board watcher things went off and the "Pioneers" will move in to discuss this.


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Its running strong as a solid solution to get new sponsors to market.

FAST.

How fast?
I can make you an affiliates program in 3 days if your banking and providers are scored out.
But I am sure some Board watcher things went off and the "Pioneers" will move in to discuss this.
You're such a dumb shit, the fact that you'd even claim 3 days, shows you are completely clueless in this industry.
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They had a inbuilt shaving feature inside mpa2. Mpa3 doesn't have it and they learned there mistake but mpa2-3 always gets bagged by the GFY sig whores who want to up there post counts for the day. Mpa2-3 support has been very good lately
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I hear nothing but good things about NATS.
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Like Matt said, the real problems started when resellers realized MPA2 has a very obvious in-the-face shave feature, which was right on the very first admin page when an admin logged into MPA2.

I have not had login access to a real mpa3 admin (the mpa3 admin demo on the mpa3 website is fake), so I have no idea if the shave feature is really gone, but they DO say it is, and I would expect them to not make the same mistake twice. Also, the only person I knew that used MPA3 has switched to NATS, and I can not find a list of MPA3 programs anywhere, maybe Oyestein can post a list when he replies.

In my oppinion NATS is still a better software than even MPA3, but of course my oppinion is biased I am not going to brag about features here, or numbers or anything, so if anyone wants more details, msg me on ICQ 1889711 or AIM fthylmann


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Chris what are you using for cascading ? if you don't use nothing you SHOULD cauz you are loosing a lot of signups

The problem with MPA is that it lost all credibility cauz of a shave script that was built in or something ... that was the big PIB cash scandal if I remember right
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We have been staying low on the marketing side of our brand spanking new MPA3 to ensure that we dont do the same mistake as we did with MPA2 - and from the looks of it we havent. We still take in the same amount, if not more, of new orders of MPA3 as we did with MPA2 back in the days.

The main difference is that we want all our existing clients onto the MPA3 platform, which for your information is completely re-written from scratch and solid as a rock, to make sure that we have a solid base of extremely happy existing clients before we make a new big move marketing wise.

We have taken a lot of heat and I will admit that it was no fun while it lasted. However, we have learned a LOT the last year and looking to steam on forward with MPA3 as the continued market leader in affiliate program software.

We have gotten some competition over the last few months with a "new actor" on our stage (where we used to be overwhelmingly alone...) and I see that as a positive for our market as a whole. It is always healthy with a little competition -we had none.

All in all, the last year made us go from a small company that was the marketleader of Affiliate Program Software with cascading billing to a medium sized company that learned how it was to grow too fast over a short period of time.

MPA3 is here, and it is here to stay! Rock solid and with features that by far takes out our competiton.



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Have there been any complaints with NATS?
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NATS seems to be fairly clean so far. I'm sure someone will eventually complain about something.

Oh wait, brad has complained repeatedly its too cheap.


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Have there been any complaints with NATS?
Not to the best of my knowledge.
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Given a wide enough distribution, there will be complaints.

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Given a wide enough distribution, there will be complaints.

I don't care if you're giving away free hundred dollar bills.
These bills are crumpled, I want freshly ironed bills only.
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they got badmouthed because of the shaving option in the script... someone, i forget who, got caught shaving and everyone on gfy started flippin out and assumed that everyone using mpa2 was shaving... some sponsors even switched programs because of that, i know medium pimpin dropped them after that whole thing... i think the whole thing was blown out of proportion by a lot of people who directed their anger at the program when they just provided a feature that the market demanded


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Have there been any complaints with NATS?
Haven't seen any complaints so far ... they look like top notch ppl for me
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NATS seems to be fairly clean so far. I'm sure someone will eventually complain about something.

Oh wait, brad has complained repeatedly its too cheap.


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None of the software out there was developed by anyone with as much paysite/affilate knowledge as I have. When my software is ready, everyone will know. I hope by 2006.

BTW, anyone who wants to help us test it, we are looking for one decent size program (100+ joins a day) to work with, free copy of the software to help us beta.
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Is their a cascading solution that one can purchase that can be used if you already have your own affiliate software in place ?
From what I hear of the nats and mpa(x) solution they offer the affiliate software and cascading billers all in one and rent you a copy...

Most pps programs have their own software so I am sure there is a market..


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None of the software out there was developed by anyone with as much paysite/affilate knowledge as I have. When my software is ready, everyone will know. I hope by 2006.
2006, that's quite a ways away. I thought it should be done by now.
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Also, the only person I knew that used MPA3 has switched to NATS, and I can not find a list of MPA3 programs anywhere, maybe Oyestein can post a list when he replies.
Not looking to peck a fight here, but we have had no live MPA3 customers switch to anyone else - just to put the facts straight...
We have had a few clients leave us this year before MPA3 came out *not bad considering we had over 200 programs sold over too short of a time… * Just thought I would mention that…

We will no longer list our customers due to non-confid. agreement that is built into the agreement.

And my name is Oystein - You should know, you used to be my MPA2 client up until a couple of weeks before you launched NATS ;-) (kisses – forget about that? lol)

We have been upgrading clients all summer long to the new MPA3 platform - not all yet of course – if we only had 48 hours a day instead of the measly 24!

Sneak peak: www.mansionproductions.com/mpa3

And you said it "makefuckingmoney" - "Their software was revolutionary" – Don’t expect any less of MPA3 – our lifetime in this industry has taught us valuable lessons, and listening to our customers as well as the affiliates out there on the boards, have definitely made us more humble. Without you guys we would not be who we are today – that’s for sure…


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2006, that's quite a ways away. I thought it should be done by now.
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Given a wide enough distribution, there will be complaints.

I don't care if you're giving away free hundred dollar bills.
Of course issues come up and there are some complaints. The difference between us and most of our competition is that when something arises we deal with it professionally and quickly and make sure that the client is happy in the end.


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Not looking to peck a fight here, but we have had no live MPA3 customers switch to anyone else - just to put the facts straight...
We have had a few clients leave us this year before MPA3 came out *not bad considering we had over 200 programs sold over too short of a time… * Just thought I would mention that…

We will no longer list our customers due to non-confid. agreement that is built into the agreement.

And my name is Oystein - You should know, you used to be my MPA2 client up until a couple of weeks before you launched NATS ;-) (kisses – forget about that? lol)

We have been upgrading clients all summer long to the new MPA3 platform - not all yet of course – if we only had 48 hours a day instead of the measly 24!

Sneak peak: www.mansionproductions.com/mpa3

And you said it "makefuckingmoney" - "Their software was revolutionary" – Don’t expect any less of MPA3 – our lifetime in this industry has taught us valuable lessons, and listening to our customers as well as the affiliates out there on the boards, have definitely made us more humble. Without you guys we would not be who we are today – that’s for sure…

I'll let Fabian reply to most of your post. I'd just like to say that yes, we were a customer of yours. That is what caused NATS to come to market and I thank you for that. It's not something I ever try to hide. It's often a point I bring up when someone asks me the differences between MPA2 and our software.

Also, if you think we haven't been in this industry for a long time (most likely longer than you) then you are very misinformed. Is NATS a relatively new product? Yes, it's been around a year or so, thats fairly new, but our experience developing and running affiliate software goes back far before that.

We have switched over several of your clients to our software. Have you switched any of ours to your software? Let me know when you do.

Also, while I have your attention; please remove BoobDollars.com from your MPA2 homepage. They no longer use your software. Thanks!


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PBucksJohn - I already told my designers to remove them from the mpa2 homepages

Guess I need to whip them a little as it hasnt been done yet


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2006, that's quite a ways away. I thought it should be done by now.
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Not looking to peck a fight here, but we have had no live MPA3 customers switch to anyone else - just to put the facts straight...
We have had a few clients leave us this year before MPA3 came out *not bad considering we had over 200 programs sold over too short of a time… * Just thought I would mention that…

We will no longer list our customers due to non-confid. agreement that is built into the agreement.

And my name is Oystein - You should know, you used to be my MPA2 client up until a couple of weeks before you launched NATS ;-) (kisses – forget about that? lol)
Hey, I normally do not do this, but you started it:
Not 100% sure how you define "live" but 2 of your clients using MPA3 with at least SOME resellers (I call that active) switched to us in the past 3 weeks.

You have mpa2 clients leaving you every week, even although mpa3 was released and offered to them.

You have a non-disclosure agreement in your license? I even heard you have a non-disclosure agreement around stuff like the database structure of MPA3 meaning noone is allowed to show any 3rd party the structure. What are you trying to prevent? People from seeing something in there or people from switching to another software after they have MPA3 installed? NATS does not come with a license agreement, we do not need to lock our clients down, we know our software is good and they will WANT to stay.

Sorry for the typo, do not really see the connection with us being a MPA2 client once, but ok. Btw, since you mentioned that, I guess people might like more details huh? You might want to tell them that we were never active with MPA2, because the program simply did not offer half the features wanted, was not very configurable, and was just generally slow. So we deceided to write our own software instead, and now we are your biggest competition. forget about that?

BTW, you keep saying that MPA3 has all those great awesome features that your competition does not have. You even say MPA3 is _by far_ better than the rest, care to enlighten me and show me those great features? Since they are really not on the MPA3 site anywhere.


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Wow, fabian sounds so angry.

If your product is so good (which i hear it is) why demean yourself by fighting like a little kid on a message board? You dont like them, we get it.


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Wow, fabian sounds so angry.

If your product is so good (which i hear it is) why demean yourself by fighting like a little kid on a message board? You dont like them, we get it.
I appologize, should not have posted that I guess... I get angry when I see that kind of posts, especially when they make me look stupid... (his you once were an MPA2 client shortly before releasing NATS, as if we had to look at their software to come up with our own)


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Well, i cant imagine anyone thinking you would need to look at their software or anyone else's for features. ANyone who's been in the business for more than a few months can figure out what affiliate software needs. Hell, even brad shaw can do it and he's been vacationing for the last few years.


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Well, i cant imagine anyone thinking you would need to look at their software or anyone else's for features. ANyone who's been in the business for more than a few months can figure out what affiliate software needs. Hell, even brad shaw can do it and he's been vacationing for the last few years.
He's asking to see the features of MPA3 that Oystein is constantly saying make it better on all of the boards.

A perfectly valid request IMO.


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John and Fabian,

I actually think your product is very neat. There was a need for another true competitor in our niche, and you guys fill that void very well. Product seem solid as far as I can see and you have many very nice features in it as well. Some that I actually want to add myself as well. Good job. Seriously.

To tell you the truth, when asked by potential clients who to look at for comparison I always mention you guys and one other one - X3 - there really are no other real competitors out there right now. Nats is a very good product and is absolutely comparisable to MPA2. No doubt.



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John and Fabian,

I actually think your product is very neat. There was a need for another true competitor in our niche, and you guys fill that void very well. Product seem solid as far as I can see and you have many very nice features in it as well. Some that I actually want to add myself as well. Good job. Seriously.

To tell you the truth, when asked by potential clients who to look at for comparison I always mention you guys and one other one - X3 - there really are no other real competitors out there right now. Nats is a very good product and is absolutely comparisable to MPA2. No doubt.
Why thank you

You've still dodged the questions about MPA3 featuers tho? What are they?

Where can I see a live installation of MPA3?

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Why thank you

You've still dodged the questions about MPA3 featuers tho? What are they?

Where can I see a live installation of MPA3?

Thanks!
Does it suffice to say that it has everything nats has except for 3-4 neat features that we are implementing as we speak, and 6-7 major features nats does not have, yet ;-)

There will be a "live" demo install available for all interested parties later this week. I am sure you will enjoy trying it out. Hit me up personally later and I will give you access to it John.

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MPA2 is a great software! MPA3 will be even better if not the best!

Ya, MPA2 did have a shave feature but i heard 95% of the sponsor requested it to be removed or didnt fuck with it....keep in mind ANYONE can shave...its the company you work with....know the people you work with....some point you have to trust a company just like sponsors trust processors...even they can shave if they wanted...


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Does it suffice to say that it has everything nats has except for 3-4 neat features that we are implementing as we speak, and 6-7 major features nats does not have, yet ;-)

There will be a "live" demo install available for all interested parties later this week. I am sure you will enjoy trying it out. Hit me up personally later and I will give you access to it John.

LOL love the little guys here...
Would it not make sense to list _MAJOR_ features that you have but your competition does not have on your website? I can not find those 6-7 major features sadly.

I just checked your features page again, and am having a really hard time finding 6-7 major features. Just POST them if you really have them.

That "live" demo, if its really live, feel free to msg me at ICQ 1889711 to show me.



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Does it suffice to say that it has everything nats has except for 3-4 neat features that we are implementing as we speak, and 6-7 major features nats does not have, yet ;-)

There will be a "live" demo install available for all interested parties later this week. I am sure you will enjoy trying it out. Hit me up personally later and I will give you access to it John.

LOL love the little guys here...
You dodged it yet again.

You can say a $200 script is "better than NATS" all day long like you are doing with MPA3. I'd like to see you prove it.

So far all I've seen of MPA3 is people moving from it to NATS. We have one client who was installed, said it was full of bugs, and is now happily running on NATS.

Again, show me a live installation.

Put up or shut up so to speak


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I think i would use MPA now just cause NATS guys might all end up dying in a blood feud one day


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I think i would use MPA now just cause NATS guys might all end up dying in a blood feud one day
No doubt.
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I think i would use MPA now just cause NATS guys might all end up dying in a blood feud one day
LOL We do not plan to die any time soon... and I really am just honestly interested in what those features are... you never know, it might be something we'd love to implement...



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yes, i believe you.

Anyone wanna buy a bridge?

Here's my point since its obviously been missed

I've not seen one bad thing said about you guys or NATS anywhere, everyone seems to love the program, you got great momentum and you are in here looking like a jackass. I just cant seem to figure out why.


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yes, i believe you.

Anyone wanna buy a bridge?

Here's my point since its obviously been missed

I've not seen one bad thing said about you guys or NATS anywhere, everyone seems to love the program, you got great momentum and you are in here looking like a jackass. I just cant seem to figure out why.
Don't worry, I get your point... If I look like a jackass by trying to get our competition to post proof about their claims, then so be it.

But you are probably right, I tend to get annoyed fast by these kinds of posts... so I'll just stop here and watch the competition dodge the question once more... no more posts from me in this thread.



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