bamboozled

The morons at NATS who praised how great their shit was are now victims of their own pontification.

I warned people before here and exposed their software before yet no one would listen. Nice to see Jason and Alex stepup for the community and expose their software.


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Here is my JustBlowMe.com thread:
http://justblowme.com/showthread.php?t=20519

Be warned that this is the same dick that fucked over a lot of us TGP owners with his porngraph scam. Guy is a scumbag and to all you stupid fuckers out there that are using his software. Remember he has all your data you dumbshits.

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Wiggles

man 5 rebills and 250 rebills, thats a rather large discrepency. that isn't exactly good business.

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12clicks

why does the article sound so different from your rant above?
looks like a integration problem with some biller no one's ever heard of that has now been solved.
no?

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psexi

Where's the original thread about the admitted shaving you mentioned in your JBM thread?

The AVN article you linked to talks about 1 out around 16 of their supporting processors not working right. Are you considering that proof of shaving or some conspiracy between ElectraCash and TooMuchMedia?

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datatank

Wow is that really worthy of avn online news?

Paul Markham

I agree with you, this is just an intergration problem.

Unless NATS are totally stupid, any system to shave would be buried deep and only available to approved clients. The last thing they would want is this.

They could not shave the sponsor, so why shave the affiliates without the sponsor knowing?

That's a recipe for a shit storm.

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Brad_JBM

Have you tried working with anyone from Electra Cash? Not exactly easy company to work with.

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It does sound like more of an integration problem. Most problems have little bugs in them that never show up until use of it swings into high gear. You don't want them to happen...but they do.

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An Electracash security issue turns into NATS shaving?

Interesting.

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xclusive

Sounds like much ado about nothing actully shit happens sometimes.

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Wetdog

There was a thread on how webmasters can shave ccbill.

nothing new, where theres a will there is a way.

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MattWildCash

Ohhh my god people hate the tall poppies. There is nothing wrong with NATS, NATS is a huge program that incorperates with so many processors and they had a issue incorperating with Electracash (Which is a processor we've used in the past and their support and database is so terrible i'm not surprised NATS had issues).

Its just a processor issue they were working on, none of the data was lost and was a bit of miscommuication between NATS & J&A.

12clicks

who is this "bamboozled" clown anyway?
its obvious he's been around for a while.

What name did you used to go by, bamboozled?

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infecto

He is an asshat. I think the only posts he makes are ones like this.

Boogie

Is there anyone that is using NATS that are unhappy?

I mean bamboozled obviously is not a user of NATS.

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12clicks

thats how I remember his posts too.

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Wizzo

I do think NATS did go a little over the top with their software claims, especially when they said it would be impossible to shave with it.

But I have a even harder time with the Jason and Alex guys after they argued with MarcDe, Bradshaw, and others about vitality of pay per sign... It showed me that they really aren't all the swift over there when it comes to this biz...

This looks like a simple postback issue, not a big deal...

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eXo

is NATS the same people who ran porngraph?

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freechess

according to the story it is

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All I can say is that NATS definitely knows their stuff. I knew of a "major" issue with electracash that exposed the data to all of their clients, "without entering account passwords", and I was able to replicate it. So they needed to do al ittel housecleaning of their own. I have been in this indsutry since 96 and have run a few businesses in my time, sexkey, mansites and adultsights benig a few of them. Integrating all of these billers into a system is not an easy task and some are harder than others. I am actually using NATS on a new venture that I am working on and I would not be doing that if I thought there was issues with the software.

As shown by all the replies in this thread, NATS is not the problem. But as usual one post by one idiot throws the industry into an uproar. But what do you expect from people who have no idea what they are talking about.

Also, whatever happened to libel. It used to be a crime to say shit about someone else that wasnt true and could hurt the business in the process. but such is life on the internet, where a guy that gets one join a month can come off like he is the biggest player around...

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Brad_JBM

Hank, NATS guys are far from innocent. They came out blazing throwing stones when they launched. I have no problem with NATS, or the guys who run it.

And yes, they are the same as the porngraph guys. How do you think he can afford to pay cash for a lambo, when I have to lease my Ferrari! license place should read prngrpah. I am sure porn graph did millions and millions of auto installs. Brilliant if you ask me. Take a worthless counter and make a quick 6 figures +.

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mrsexkey

I have personally known John since 97 and he has been in the industry that long. I used to send John very, very large checks from SexKey so I do not doubt that he has the cash to buy a lambo. He has also been running a dating site for a few years as well. So he has made alot of money outside of NATS and porngraph.

As far as the issues with NATS, sure there were some growing pains. As is the case with mostly every business that I have ever been involved in. Should it have been handled differently, sure. But it is as it is. Basically I am not going to stop using NATS on my new project because of it.

I cannot speak much about porngraph outside of that I know he sold it before all the shit came out. Whether it was him or he got kickbacks from it, I dont know. I have been told to my face that he was not behind it and since I consider him a friend of mine for the past 8 years I would hope that he is not lying to my face. If he is then I am the fool. But it wouldnt be the first time and probably wont be the last time ....

-hank

Slip

was thinking that too.

undermyspell

You know Wizzo... funny that you should think that they really aren't that swift. To me, any company that is willing to come out against popular opinion, has pretty big balls. I'm not sure that makes them not swift. I realize that you are talking about them discussing that PPS doesn't work in regards to their lack of mental superiority but that's what they firmly believe. Perhaps some can but we chose not to even attempt it and put ourselves in an uphill battle. The thing I find surprising is that without knowing the individuals that own Jason And Alex or the business ventures they are quite successful with that you would make that judgment.

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Alex From San Diego

Yeah, we aren't that swift Wizzo....lol Jason and I have been doing this since 97. Talk to a few program owners and see if we are just a couple of clowns peddling porn for a few nickels each week....lol

The issues with NATS go a lot further than JUST Electracash. I have a list longer than my arm with inaccuracies. We just happened to mention one of them. Bottom line, is it was affecting us and more importantly, it was affecting our affiliates. We took a stand on them and trust me on this one, we are not the only fish in the pond who share the same sentiments and eventually there will be a bigger fish than us that speaks out.

If NATS works for you, then yippee. It didn't work for us and we are glad to be rid of them.

Wizzo

Like I said, I think NATS has it's own faults and I think it's stupid of any program to base it rep on 3rd party software which seems to be the trend... I haven't used NATS, nor do I care if a program I'm sending traffic to does... It's neither here nor there for me.

I know who you are and I know what you guys do... You have a good partnership program and I will say I do respect the way you guys treat webmasters and your affiliates.

However, I had to question your biz sense for when you made the claim that the most successful business model in adult affiliate programs to date was not possible... simply because I know it does work, I've seen the numbers, the backends, etc and know it's possible and profitable without shaving as you claim...

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Danny_C

I missed that debate, but I can say PPS definitely works if you know what you're doing. Anybody who says that you have to shave to make PPS profitable is simply wrong... although, a new program wouldn't be profitable for several months after launch, and you do really know how to maximize each customer and cut costs.

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I have known John since 1997, when he was sending my live in GF at the time vermont teddy bears;-)

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psexi

Agreed, and I think webmasters who base their sponsor decisions on whether or not they use NATS are being stupid.


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