Dr Snuggles

The fact that they exist.

Where does the money come for the shitloads of bw they have to pay? From the shitloads of sales they do.

So far the only person who has a clue about this whole tube thing is Tam...and me ofcourse.

Originally Posted by Tam View Post
Yeah I get that, but the poor bastards that are going after the free thing, they have always been able to find it and chances are wouldn't be joining anything anyway.

I am not going to mention any sites by name or anything like that here. But as a Rep for a few programs, I can see the stats of people who run some of these tube sites everyone is freaking about, and with some of them, the sales ratios are better than any tgp I have seen. And I am not just saying this, I see it with my own two eyes. They ARE buying the porn, but these are the ones that would buy it anyway I think. The freeloaders are NOT going to pay for it whether it is a tube site, a tgp or hijacking password files and getting into it that way.... they just aren't going to pay for it at ALL.

Please don't ask me to post urls of this, I can't do it out of respect for privacy, I'll just tell you that I have plenty of tube site owners that do extremely well with the sales ratios on these sites.

Dr Snuggles

Cry cry cry about no business threads yet all you crybabies do is post in my troll threads. Dumb fucking idiots. All of you.

Cyndalie

Well where you have a lot of traffic there are going to be sales. I'm betting the tube sites in reference are using sponsor provided clips to promote and generate sales - not the stolen full length movies so many are in an uproar about. "Legit" tube sites are a positive means of generating income for both sponsors and webmasters. Free loaders won't change, but surfing for free porn used to very time consuming and frustrating. Some sites simply make it too easy, other tubes sites have a good medium going.

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Dr Snuggles

Try to read before you reply:

I can see the stats of people who run some of these tube sites everyone is freaking about

Cyndalie

My reply was in general, and I'm making conversation. If you're going to be a cocksucker to anyone who replies in your thread no wonder you won't get any responses. I was going to add something about the quality of full length clips being better at the site of source if advertised on the full length sites and making it easy for the people to find "more" from that provider, but many that offer full length clips don't exactly make it easy to find out where to get more of the same. Anyway, it seems like you don't want to discuss your topic so I'll just say "You're right" and go to lunch.

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Dr Snuggles

Look, what part about big tubes sites that need to pay their bills dont you understand? What more proof that they can do you need? Theyre here and getting bigger everyday. They do SHITLOADS of content and have HUGE fucking hosting bills. And they can afford. That is what this thread is about. You ignore that and start talking about legit small tube sites. So yeah i get annoyed.

PR_Tom

Your theory is predicated on the unspoken "sites making money today = not killing industry".

I would say that it's 100% proof that some big tube sites that you know of are generating sales with the programs that you rep for. How do you know they make profit? How do you know they're not the biggest loss leaders of the programs? Perhaps they have rich mom's who fund everything even though it's going down a black hole of debt? Maybe the expense of content and support for the tube sites are costing the program more than they bring.

I'm just stating the obvious that just because something makes income doesnt mean it profits. And just because something makes income (even if it IS profit) doesnt prove anything long term as it pertains to the entire industry.

But it's interesting data, even if non specific.

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Everyone's bitching about sales.... Meanwhile, I'm sending more and more and traffic and making more and more money. I mean, I see ratios aren't what they were two years ago, but I'm making more.

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Puma

nice...are you sending to a wide array of adult paysites? dating? cams? or maybe a mixture of all of them? and with what kind of traffic mostly? its good to hear something positive rather than all the doom and gloom we have been getting mostly...

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stev0

Big difference between legal tube sites and ones stealing content IMO. If someone owns the rights to the content and wants to give it away, by all means do so. But you should respect the property rights of others and not be a thieving douchebag like many of the big tube sites are.

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Congrats, mind you hard to believe. Want to send me some of these sales LOL

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Someone send Rochard this thread, we need some pick-me-up!

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jay23

Tube sites are making moeny, none of them are funded by some VC or big public company. They need to make money to pay the huge BW bills or they will be out of biz the next day. The fact that these guys are in biz this long proves Tube sites make money.

PR_Tom

Why am I playing devils advocate? I dont own a tube site, nor do I think they're the downfall of the industry, nor the saviour. Having said that, here goes.

Perhaps it proves that they make back their operating expenses. Or some of them. Or the ones you know personally. Or the one(s) you run. Or just raw odds declare it to be so, so why fight it.

GM hasnt been evicted from their building. If they were a private company, who would know they were nearing bankruptcy? They continue to exist, therefore they are making money.


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CarlosBigsister

Well let's see:

I guess Pornotube which was one of the first ones and very much legit wasn't reported to do that well as far as I remember, not sure if it turns profit now even it's an AEBN venture.

Redtube which is (or was) Austrian owned is now turning also into a 5 min. max with sponsors links and a vidosz and cams (can't remember who) whitelabel - first a desperate effort to sell, now it's turning into a "legit" model.

Megarotic is (or was) run by a German guy his main life mission is to piss off everyone on this planet as he prove a couple times already, so I wouldn't be surprised if he turned a small or zero profit.

Pornhub is owned by Brazzers, so maybe they'll rather get a few sign ups on their own sites for the "special offer" than to let that traffic sign up somewhere else for the competition, its stolen videos probably even originally got the surfer there searching for them.

Tube8 is (or was?) run by some Bulgarian guy if I remember, how that site makes money makes me wonder, cause the video is very crisp, also check there are practically no watermarks so all the updates (up to 8 a day) are probably ripped out of DVD's or even licensed by desperate content producers who are heading towards desperate eldership.

I tried to calculate once very roughly the ROI that AFF / Hornymatches or whoever buying spots there would have to reach according to the "official pricing" and it was quite hard to believe as well.

All those tube sites are mainly full of mediocre porn that's exciting if you are desperately horny and have access to it once a week and not if you have 1000 scenes in front of you everyday, I can imagine lot of surfers getting bored with it shortly and wondering how could they jack off to the 5 porn dvd's they have at home for years before the free internet ride.

Then it's most of the pornstars, some of the most popular sites rips, some sick extreme things but actually not that much real amateur or even "real user uploaded" stuff.

The whole DMCA is a joke btw. as far as the users would probably have to physically rip DVD's and upload about 8 times a day and regularly.

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